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  • We need these amendments:
    1. Repeal the income tax in 5 years and replace it with a consumption sales tax.
    2. All bills and laws must include a constitutional justification in the first paragraphs.
    3. That only the powers and rights directly enumerated in the constitution are the pervue of the federal government.
    4. Repeal of the 17th amendment and senators be returned to state legislatures for approval to commence at the next election.
    5. Justices on the Supreme court can be removed by a 2/3 vote of the state legislatures.
    Any takers?

      • Sounds good to me. Especially number 5! They are completely out of control!

          • Agree wit the above except for #1, Implement a VAT (value added tax) instead of a sales tax. Make all income at or below 3 times the poverty line non-taxable, allow no other form of tax credit or deduction.

              • I disagree, and believe that everyone should pay some tax. People that don't have skin in the game are the reason we're in the shape we are today. The minute you draw a line, you give the politicians license to change it, so 3 times the poverty line becomes 4, or the poverty line itself is changed to "benefit" more voters and win them over to "your" party. Also, a sales tax is a tax on consumption, not on savings, and is visible to all. The VAT is hidden.

              • 1. This would make the gap between rich and poor even more extreme than it already is. That is a problem. If you don't realize that, you need to study history and government much more and stop listening to rich people who are trying to get out of their obligations by deceiving the rest of us. My preference would be either a progressive or flat, no frills, no escape income tax and no sales tax.
                2. If you have ever written a purchase request or expense report, you will realize how useless this would be.
                3. That might not be a bad idea, but it is already part of our current constitution, so nothing would change.
                4. The 17th amendment was written to solve some real problems resulting in corruption or total lack of representation of a state. Simply repealing it is not a solution.
                5. I have no problem with this one at all, although I might extend it to include a popular vote as one of the options, rather than just the state legislatures.

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                  • The constitution, unlike the articles of confederation is design to consolidate power, not protect rights. How do you have a check on government when the lawmaker, judge, and enforcer are all in the same government?

                    • We need to remove all doubt as to the appropriate number calling for a convention then proceed with it. The first thing that needs to go is the 17th Amendment. The only entity that has no representation is the states. In a representative republic, that is insanity. The states are the second tier in rights just behind the individual. With the 17th in place, the only check on the federal government is the individual and a corrupt judiciary.

                        • What is needed is the ability to nullify laws, taxes, regulations, by a simple jury. at all levels of government. Private property rights need to be recognized including the ability to own one self and their labor. And the states should have the right to succeed from the union, and local townships from the states. In addition end all legal tender laws and everything else will fall in place. The goal should be liberty not economic servitude.

                            • Important distinction here folks. It is not a Constitutional Convention. It is a "Convention of States". There is a big difference. Article V of the Constitution.

                                • not going to happen...americans will not go for it.

                                    • There are three things that I believe we need:
                                      1. IRV (Instant Runoff Voting), in which people can rank the candidates, rather than just voting for one, with an instant runoff between the two with the highest number of votes. One of the biggest problems we have is rule of the country by only two major parties. This would give third parties a chance, because I will bet that a large number of voters only vote Democrat or Republican because they are choosing the lesser of two evils. This would also prevent someone with support from only a minority of the population winning an election and having total power over the rest of us.
                                      2. The ability of all people of all states to go over the heads of their representatives and enact legislation or recall any and all representatives and even fire other government officials by citizen initiatives and a popular vote. At present, only 20 states allow this. There are too many unpopular government laws and regulations that have little hope of ever being changed, due to the intransigence of our bribed politicians and our revolving door for bureaucrats.
                                      3. Dissemination of information on all candidates to all voters needs to be guaranteed, with the information itself totally provided by the candidates, and updated frequently during a campaign. While I believe in freedom of speech, it is not right to lie in campaigns, because our decisions hinge largely on correct information, so something should be done about this - I just don't know what can be done while maintaining our freedom of speech.

                                        • From Old Vet to always free: Keep thinking like you are herein. THIS is what will keep our freedom!

                                            • Note: The Convention of 1878 did
                                              not fall short in its constitutional principles; the weakness of the American
                                              Union lie with the state constitution; these need to be fixed or no Union can
                                              endure. Article VIII fixes the Federal Union at the state level. Article VIII
                                              Authored By Joel Busher

                                              Article VIII – For the US Constitution

                                              Article VIII – Union of Holy Assemblies

                                              Section 1 Since the people are only happy when living under laws they have consented to, and
                                              indispensable to their pursuit of happiness is to love God with all heart,
                                              soul, and strength, we do ordain and establish the Sabbath, the seventh day, as
                                              a day of holy assemblies. Therefore, all inhabitants of this Union shall make
                                              this day free of all labor and recreation, except for necessity and mercy, and
                                              they shall devote themselves to the deliberation, inculcation, and review of
                                              all laws, statutes and ordinances both human and divine, and on this day they
                                              shall inquire, investigate and review the actions, integrity, motivations, and
                                              character of their public servants against the character and motives of Christ,
                                              and the freeman shall elect those worthy of public office and remove those
                                              unworthy, and since suffrage is a civil action that delegates sovereign power,
                                              every vote by every freeman shall be published with the reasons and supporting
                                              principles as a matter of public record.

                                              Section 2 For
                                              the protection of life, liberty, and property, all inhabitants and citizens
                                              from age twelve shall enter into a tithing of ten persons under the authority
                                              of a tithingman; a deputy shall have authority over five tithings, a constable
                                              over ten and a judge over a hundred; the highest court of the each state shall
                                              have twelve judges over twelve circuits and the Supreme Court of the United
                                              State the same; the governor of the state and President of the United States
                                              shall vote in a divided court; each officer elected.

                                              Section 3 Since
                                              it is the sacred duty of the people as sovereign to be enlightened and capable
                                              in law, a knowledge of the obligations and duties of our constitutions, God’s
                                              moral law and law of the land is required for receiving the Oath of a Freeman,
                                              and it shall be a pledge to guard and defend the rights and liberties belonging
                                              to the people before an examining committee of elders, and a written charter of
                                              citizenship shall be signed by all parties, and this charter shall grant
                                              citizen privileges within the Union and resident state.

                                              Section 4 To
                                              ensure the good and moral administration of all government powers, the Oath of
                                              Fealty shall be required for any freeman seeking public office, for the
                                              ministry of law, of education, and by judgment the work of the physician. It
                                              shall be a personal testimony that Jesus is “our Lord” according to our
                                              Constitution and God is the Supreme Judge of our rectitude according to the
                                              Declaration, affirmed by a holy life. This affirmation shall be by committee of
                                              elders under the freeman’s oath who shall examine the moral convictions, good
                                              behavior, and personal integrity of each candidate seeking public office or any
                                              person in office by two or more complaints. The committee shall determine the
                                              eligibility of the candidate for Oath of Fealty for public office by evidence
                                              of all public and private testimonies and other reports, and its decision may
                                              be appealed.

                                              Section 5 Since
                                              the strength of the union depends on the strength of the family, we acknowledge
                                              marriage to be a union of one man and one woman chartered with rules for the
                                              governing powers according to Scripture and sealed by payment of the bride
                                              price. The joining of man and woman as one is marriage according to law
                                              incurring all legal responsibilities. No marriage shall be granted to those who
                                              have violated the marriage covenant to the loss of the Oath of a Freeman and
                                              Fealty.

                                              Section 6
                                              Since the spirit of idolatry and atheism has confounded the moral standard of
                                              right and wrong thereby creating vicious factions leading to civil perversions
                                              and tyranny by law, the God of Israel shall be our only God and His law shall
                                              reign. Therefore, we ordain the revealed law given to Moses and the law by the
                                              hand of Moses, excepting the sacrificial requirements, and of the Apostles and
                                              Christ Jesus to be the fundamental law of our common and civil law and is the
                                              law of the land. Life begins at conception and is protected. Imprisonment as
                                              punishment shall not be endured nor sanctioned. No more than forty lashes shall
                                              be inflicted for felony crimes with a loss of oath. The punishment for
                                              incorrigible felonious behavior is death, and murder shall receive no mercy.

                                              Section 7 All
                                              enacted laws shall be stamped with the Seal of יְהוָה and any law
                                              repugnant to the holy common law shall be unconstitutional. No one shall misuse
                                              the Seal of יְהוָה without penalty.

                                              Section 8 So
                                              God may dwell among us, the land granted to the Jewish people by the God of
                                              Israel shall be recognized, and they shall build the House of God. The
                                              festivals of the Lord shall be required in our union of family states as a
                                              lasting memorial. The State and Federal Twelve shall gather in Jerusalem at
                                              Tabernacles for training in constitutional principles and law, unless
                                              circumstances prohibit.

                                              Section
                                              10 To defeat oppression by taxation in our federal republic, ten percent
                                              of earned income shall be the only personal tax, and there shall be no tax on
                                              residential real property. Because a debt of one generation cannot be given to
                                              another, being taxation without representation, all public debt shall be
                                              forgiven in the year of Jubilee. All private debt shall be forgiven at the
                                              appointed seventh year. No other debt shall be forgiven except according to
                                              law.

                                              Section 11 To
                                              extend the right of a republican form of government to every inhabitant, the
                                              freemen in communities of 10,50,100,1000,city, county, state, and Union shall
                                              establish constitutions in accordance with the Unanimous Declaration, the
                                              Constitution with Article VIII. The freemen in convention shall amend or repair
                                              their state and federal constitutions in the year of Jubilee, and in other
                                              times provided.

                                              Section 12
                                              Since a general authority of limited powers over nation states is the proven
                                              hope for domestic tranquility among free and independent republics, entrance
                                              into this Union shall not be denied to any established nation or state with a
                                              republican form of government, and by the adoption of the Unanimous
                                              Declaration, the United States Constitution with Article VIII in convention.
                                              Any member may dissolve its membership in this Union by a two-thirds majority
                                              in a state convention, but no nation has a right to corrupt itself according to
                                              the ethics of divine law without offending this Union.

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